tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8489009971732520747.post4634433107221616838..comments2024-03-24T07:19:28.136+00:00Comments on Lake Cocytus: AdvocacyThe Shrinkhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10009039342346247138noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8489009971732520747.post-75068035706020069022009-01-21T22:16:00.000+00:002009-01-21T22:16:00.000+00:00sorry to hear that. this group may be able to put ...sorry to hear that. this group may be able to put you in touch with someone in your area. good luck.<BR/><BR/><BR/>http://www.opaal.org.ukKittyxxx121https://www.blogger.com/profile/00130434007803546549noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8489009971732520747.post-54673424536952974852009-01-21T16:04:00.000+00:002009-01-21T16:04:00.000+00:00Mandy, locally we certainly need better advocacy s...Mandy, locally we certainly need better advocacy services.<BR/><BR/>Kitty, we're nothing like that lucky. Primary Care services are good in my corner. I reckon that my team's Secondary Care services are good. Other people like us, too. But the voluntary sector in my corner is thin - non-statutory services are poorly developed. Advocacy in my corner really is pretty woeful.<BR/><BR/>Random Bounce, I didn't know that! Splendid, that does indeed give sond grounds to challenge the IMCA and require their involvement in the case. Superb!The Shrinkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10009039342346247138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8489009971732520747.post-79614909539423776682009-01-20T15:50:00.000+00:002009-01-20T15:50:00.000+00:00But if this is a "Safeguarding" issue (and it soun...But if this is a "Safeguarding" issue (and it sounds like it could/should be) then the IMCA Code of Practice states that:-<BR/><BR/>"• An IMCA may be instructed to support someone who lacks capacity to make decisions concerning:<BR/>–<BR/>care reviews, where no-one else is available to be consulted<BR/>–<BR/>adult protection cases, whether or not family, friends or others<BR/>are involved"<BR/><BR/>So maybe you could/should involve an IMCA anyway - might be worth talking to the SW/CPN about this?random_bouncehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17750064943634082776noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8489009971732520747.post-31886211791239887442009-01-19T20:14:00.000+00:002009-01-19T20:14:00.000+00:00Can you access the independent advocacy groups? I...Can you access the independent advocacy groups? In my area we have a voluntary charity that will come in at either the patients or clinicians request, regardless of family involvement. They can also help liaise with other services, help with accommodation, financial advice and care packages.<BR/><BR/>I'll put a link to their leaflet as I'm not sure where you are, or if you speak to them they may be aware of something similar in your area.<BR/><BR/>http://www.southwarksmh.nhs.uk/leaflets/MH%20Leaflet.pub1.pdfKittyxxx121https://www.blogger.com/profile/00130434007803546549noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8489009971732520747.post-5506720750089113422009-01-19T17:52:00.000+00:002009-01-19T17:52:00.000+00:00I'm sure the Shrink could relate many tales of ext...I'm sure the Shrink could relate many tales of extremely dysfunctional family relationships...<BR/><BR/>How could I expect for one of my nephews - some of whom I've never met, to act in my best interest?<BR/><BR/>Putting the families views first seems absolutely tikketeeboo in Theory...Socrateshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12525104555859213125noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8489009971732520747.post-89318604125672867962009-01-19T14:08:00.000+00:002009-01-19T14:08:00.000+00:00I do think it is a failing in the MCA that there i...I do think it is a failing in the MCA that there is this assumption that of a family member is involved that they wil lbe advocating for the best interest of the incapacitated person. It seems in your scenario that the nephew is, but it's so often not the case.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8489009971732520747.post-24844208203411281942009-01-19T13:48:00.000+00:002009-01-19T13:48:00.000+00:00As an afterthought...I also think when the people ...As an afterthought...I also think when the people living so closely together both have MH problems or learning difficulties that both parties should have an advocate.<BR/><BR/>Fat chance though eh?That's not my name!https://www.blogger.com/profile/17064348309163649672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8489009971732520747.post-31308768938681779792009-01-19T13:46:00.000+00:002009-01-19T13:46:00.000+00:00I agree that there should be an independant advoca...I agree that there should be an independant advocate involved. However, if the person refuses an advocate can a MH professional (or group of) organise that on the person's behalf?<BR/><BR/>I certainly wouldn't want someone (be they a relative or not) advocating on behalf of my father. There is often too much emotional involvement or lack of objectivity. I am, and mostly sadly so, the one who advocates for my father and constantly questioning myself in regards to my role in his care and that isn't particularly objective...however hard I try to be objective.<BR/><BR/>I think when it comes to making judgements (professional ones in particular) in regards to capacity...and taking away someone's liberty...an advocate should be involved every time..by law. I also think the advocates should be up to scratch to do the job properly as well.That's not my name!https://www.blogger.com/profile/17064348309163649672noreply@blogger.com